Do we lost our human resources?

[kon Lao]

Yes, you are right if you have america freedom which you can call your mother a 'pregnant dog' your father a 'baster'... and CIA secretly supported Pol Pot, and when the CIA who interviewed by John Pilger,...when he was about to reveal more about CIA and Pol Pot they cut, even USA did that....Are you for real or got nothing to do and just chat n chat...what are concreted things and acts did you already do to help Lao...How many houses did you build for poor people back in Lao...

[kon ban nateui Pakse]

When Japanese train their young people, they say they hope to provide their students with tools so they become a good worker in future, but the problem with we Lao people, old people always tell the young...' hian hay keng hay day pen chao pen nai' may be old habits die hard...that's why we seem to fight each other on any issues rather than help Lao really...to many master and not enough indians...an Indian article talking about People Democracy...People will reveal...not money democracy because in the West nearly evrything are on loan...loan for house, for car, for holiday...I think in reality Lao government does not need people with lousy mouth for the country at the moment what they need are people who could really help...likes good entrepreneurs...but remember Lao is a landlocked country, and capitalist people always have one purpose is profit and where they saw they can not make that goal they simply invest somewhere else...may be Lao with People Democracy it still a Lao...if money Democracy and Lao does not have the muscle to compete with the world than Lao will disappear all together.'To many master not enough indians'

[JD]

Some of the Lao students staying over their graduated countries say money, jobs and freedoms cite as their reasons. It’s finally one can speak about politic which could be one of the reasons why Lao students staying abroad. I simply just want to point out that one of the other reasons maybe politic. We should be able to discuss and explore any issues on the table so we can administrate the best options to help Laos in its current needs. But when one makes any comments about Lao politic, you’re censored. I agreed with the Kon Lao’s comments. What this person says has truth in it about the CIA and other “bad” things they have done also. We should be allowed to discuss politic on any governments.
IT’S IRONIC THAT LAOUPDATE WEBMASTER DOES NOT CENSOR THIS KON LAO’S COMMENTS SO-CALLED “ANTI-GOVERNMENT” CONTENTS.
I believe Kon Lao’s comments as the same gravity effects as mine. So, it is O.K. for us to criticize other governments but not Lao government? I think you should apply your censorship policy (which I disagree. It should be an open forum but I am complying.) equally across the board. We should be able to point out our governments’ failed policies so the general public can be awared and not implement the same policies in the future. Basically learn your past to move into the future. Politic is a hot subject to too many people but the subject still can be discussed fairly as long as we allow everyone to express his or her viewpoints. This is not about who’s right or wrong but being able to discuss politic period as one of the subjects on this Laoupdate forum. Why acquire higher education and limited ourselves to discuss certain subjects? We should be able to exchange ideas freely. Kon Lao, building house for the poor is one way to help the poor. I commend you for that. It’s always a great humanity job. We all find ways to help Laos those of us want to help directly or indirectly. We never claim we have the perfect system over here (usa) as you have pointed out. Well let’s be realistic, why are we sending Lao students abroad to study? Good luck my motherland Laos.

[Peter]

There are many problems lead to today Lao government, the lao people who at that time they have vision, not stupid at Lao usa think, remember World war I and II, it occured because failure of capitalism...at that time not in 2005 and when Lao people did not even have any voice in their own land...when capitalism had problems it lead to Depression and then War...that's why Communism seemed to be an answer for many countries...and it prooved dispited all it problems it helped defeat facist Hitler...because of links you can now read many things from around the world, not just one part of particularly country, what I read in the internet about things are the world is huge and all countries are not the same...likes Iraq and muslims countries one Professor of ANU Australia stated Iraq gave american big head ache...because he said even they became Democracy after that they turn into Islam and then won't like Usa again....so very complex... for some Vietnamese press in English from vietnamese follow America and still think they are not puppets...they made so many mistakes again...likes their fathers who fought for Usa...it said it sent troops to help South Vietnam to fight ********s in 6 months they will destroy them all...but that time the black african in USa went to jail for sitting in the wrong place on buses...White toilets, Colour toilets white restaurant only...vietnamese press against Vietnam government last year...stated ********s Vietnam were on the brink to collapse and will disappeard, because they could not do anything just corrupted...well they were wrong...because Vietam government got stronger...George Bush even invited Priminister of Vietnam to visit USA in June this year...Vietnam started building a 60 stores building in Ho chi Minh city...with it own revenue...and Luxumbourg will build a 65 stores building in Hanoi...so all these news I think gave many shocks to vietnamese refugees follow and fight for America, in the past...in reality in south Vietnam there was only one family controlled the entire South Vietnam...Ngo dinh Diem who brought back to Vietnam by american later killed by the order of Kennedy...Kennedy said 'Remove him'...I think they lost time after time because they did not have connection with people....Ngo dinh Diem wanted to turn the south into catholism...his sister in law secretly built acid pool and she ordered to make budhist people and monks who she believed to follow Ho Chi Minh they were pushed into acid pool and disappeared...the South Vietnam government even built Tiger cages, prisons where people who believed fight for Ho Chi Minh...were arrested and jailed there...why they called Tiger cages because you can only sit and lie down you can not stand up...a kind of you have to knee ' MUNG TORNG KOOK KAW' they were wrong, vietnamese litterature is very powerful even american themselve did not have a clue, they only use their dollars...that's why they lost, it sais Ho Chi Minh called the people to stand up and fight for their country million people from the South to the North follow that's ********s won...because they are from the people not made by the outsiders.

[JD]

Hey Peter. I value your facts and opinions. You are knowledgeable of the subject and I respect that. We should be able to discuss the topic even this “stupid lao usa” has opinions. We obviously live in an imperfect world but it should not be a taboo to talk about politic. I learnt something new from your writing about the torture methods like acid pool and tiger cages employed by the south Vietnamese at the time. I guess it is o.k. to talk about this “subject” on laoupdate.com now. Thanks for your inputs Peter.

[Laoupdate]

Again, This is webmaster of Laoupdate.

To Jaidee and other guests,

We still want to confirm that laoupdate board is not a fully freedom board. You can criticize in depth about Lao Government in another board of laohub.com or laotian.info, but please avoid it here.

By the way, to keep people not lost their track of discussion, here is the topic again:




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Why many Lao students don't like to go back home after finishing their terms of scholarship abroad? what are the reason make them don't want to come back. Will our country lost human resources. Share your opinion , reply this topic.

Regards,

Laoupdate

[soa lao sydney]

i am totally agree with Belle, how can we improve our country if we don't listen to other people idea

[David]

We are not only loosing our human resources, but also a future of the country itself. The conbtribution from these students and other lao people who have educated abroad is vital to the development of LAOS.
Sadly LAOS will never reach it's full protential, unless there's a dramatic shift in government policies.

Economic reforms are going hand in hand with polictical and social reforms. Without which it's full benefit cannot be realise. China is a classic examples of how these reforms have been adopted for the last 2 decades. (The creation of special economic zones).
Which they are currently enjoying the fruit of their decision.

But unlike China, Laos do not have any 'mature' industry that would carried as base for it's economy.
Thus, all any new industry need to created from the begin. This then need private money and the skills of enterpreiners.

These 'Investors' unfortunately will not spend a 'cent' in an unstable environment. This is really ashame for Lao people and the children of Laos, because they won't have a place to work and earn income when they (finally) do graduated.

[John]

It's obvious that many students don't want to return to Laos. Laos has absolutely nothing to offer it's people.


Therefore I for one can't the students who do want to to go back to Laos.

There's a say that 'if you cann't take the heat, get out of the kitchen'.

[JD]

It's cool Laoupdate webmaster. I appreciate your time and the opportunity to express our concerns about Laos. I enjoy reading and learning from other writers' different point of views. Some of us seem to take it personally but I take it as constructive opinions. I think one can learn a lot if you listen to people of what they have to say. Besides, I just want to make your job a little bit more interesting Laoupdate webmaster. We'll just go to the other sites and raise some hair on the other webmasters. They'll love you...

[KOEY PEN LAO YU FALANG DER]

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Sabaidee to everyone here...I agree with all talk here. But do u all know that Laos has his own human resources all around the world for a long time? Well, as u all shoud know, since 1975, since Kennedy government policies had failed by Vietnameses, " Capitalism was fought by Communism" in Indochina, lao government had changed also his targets and policies..So some lao people who didn't agree with his policies, had to leave their native homeland and country. Nowadays, those lao people are seatled on every continent ( America, Europe, Australia..) and were also studied in high school and their children too. Some have been working and now make their savings and aim to invest in Laos..But they are coming Citizen in country where they live now. Well i think if the government let us invest more by according a double nationality to those who were born in Laos, we can invest more in our country by build more industries, infrastrutures and the most important is education system. If we all can work hand in hand, one day, we can grow up living level ( incomes), to rise up our economic and then of course, Students would like to come back early to their country laters after their graduated( Of course they need to stay more at least 3 year to have more skills..). Well as i have visited our country each year, i can see each year the developping is real..and see also the contrasted way of life between population way of life. The Rich is richer and the poor is poorer....but we can check out the the corruptions are in any places... . We can't ask or do anything without giving money "undertable" Well is it a fair one thing? If the government can now, point out this and delete it from the policies' system, it should be one right thing to lao population, especially the the poor ...
Well, this is my point of view and i think here we can talk freely to all lao people in the world an proud to be LAO well, let's build our country in future as all know now, business is in Asia Continent...

[Kon Lao Auzie]

One american article I read on Laonews.net , is a Washintong Post..or New York times something likes that, it said for many years vietnamese refugees from south Vietnam been living in Los Angeles, particularly California, they are still vietnamese, keep in touch with their country their mother land...old generation even don't speak english and they keep helping their country in many forms, american government also has many parties inside so the hardliers neo con. and the moderate , the righteous always does anything to brngdown vietnames government, they stick up all sort of barriers and human rights issues...but I guess majority of american don't believe a thing because of nature, they only believe money, look at all pornograhie sites...drugs and rock and roll all night...you have to think about they criticised other for religious freedom...but for me religious freedom and spies also different things...so when usa government see vietnamese invest back home and help relatives in other forms but when add up it said vietnamese in usa sent home about 4 billions us dollars...that's why the see useless to against them 'vietnam government' years in usa but the vietnamese still don't see american culture is for them...I live in Australia for years and I am still Lao...I only learn knowledge but not copy everythings...so Lao students who studied in Australia who we knewn they all went home..let says 'Thao Mood' used to work as waitress in Daovieng restaurant he spent sometimes in university here in Australia and went home...for Lao I think the problems of corrupt it depends corrupt is everywhere on the news just last night on aussie tv it said the people who works in airport helped heroin dealers so they can bring heroin into Australia..for me when I went home I asked my nieces to do thing for me likes extend visa...she then asked some police friend done it for her by just give some coffee money..,I think it's okay for me likes service money...in Australia in offices which send or booking air tickets they have this too...if you are lazy to go and get visa with Lao embassy the agents have courriers do that for you but you have to pay them...they tell you straight away...is called service money or fee...but corruption in grand scale then Lao government have to deal with it 100% 'bor torng jud juear' Lao to change everything at one 'U turn' in political copy USA, I doubt about this will bring anything good but other countries will use this to rule Lao again...you have to do this next day you have to do that...only thing Lao government should do it listen to lao people, set up committee to work with people listen to their need...and keep changing...but to throw out all things including sacrafices indepence, I am not sure about it...look at the people invested in Lao they are chinese , malaysian...but not a lao whether lao refugees..only talk and fighting...In the past when Laos still had election likes america...but in Pakse was always 'Narchampassack' Sisouk won, and I have'nt seen he done a thing and he had a 6 floors building...so just likes a farse...freedom of america at that time.

[Peter]

It's just like 'susan cafe' in the morning back home I like it, when I was there, I always go to have breakfast in those cafe and lao people are free to chat about anything too....I love it, so let me bring you back about this issue because it related to this topic as well, otherwise will be very boring to readers,..the french when they ruled Indochina they already recognised vietnamese litterature is very powerful, it said viet poems and songs could mobilize the entire population against them, my wife's uncle told me at that time he was a little boy and saw the french and their puppets killed many lao and viet people who they thought against them, ( actually they just shot them ), so there were viet and lao people who were too keen to be the colonists servants and killed their own fellow country men for money...and when Ho chi Minh arrived home million people followed, he only had his words not us dollars...when he think about that it's a naturally thing because they the french came to Indochina used their guns and bullets to take Indochina...in anytime stealing is regarded as criminal but it happenned in the past...so the resistants of Indochina did to defend themselve...how come they came to your house take and control your house and kill and you sit and accepted that...that's nonsense...the reasons vietnamese in USA did things to help Vietnam because they saw american did things to serve their interests, according to things happenned day in day out...many lao usa people when talking,chatting, they always criticized lao government but asked themselve what they have done to help Lao...the reason they could have the things in america bcause america is rich and big likes an elephant compared to Lao is small likes an ant...but look at in the past when usa had slaves they did not think black african were lazy...but after they think slavery was not civilised for Usa,..then they think black people are inferior race...they did not employ them much....In Hamburger hills movies it showne white american soldiers looked down on black american soldiers...they still think black are slave go to Vietnam fight for freedom...this must be a farse...and look at only one family in South Vietnam controled entire the south...is always democracy in very low point must be double farse...and when the South Vietnam collapsed the president Nguyen van Thieu fled the country with a plane of tone of gold to Taiwan...triple farse...in reality Lao government has a policy of 'Song seng' self criticise so why do they need to outsiders criticise Lao matters...they could say mind your own business, that's only a view, because lao usa said to Lao government 'if you don't change likes usa then we don't give a d**n, so what if the Lao government said that in reply, and that showned lao usa who still did that because they had lot of wealth and interest with the usa in the past, they did not tolerate other people choice as they said, as long as it have to be likes usa other way is no good a king of hypocrist...when you think...old the lao usa think they are the 'think tank, and known how' I doubt they really have any ability to help Lao, but their criticise mouths...Kennedy said 'Think of what you can do for your country not what your country can do for you' was he right or wrong? Asked yourself, people in america always say in Lao there is no freedom,...after war of course you need something strick rules to look after and defense your country, but now I believe people do have freedom accepted lousy mouth is not good for the country at the moment...otherwise lao people will sit and 'Vaw hay kun dar kun mot mu nothing done.,in Australia during working days at night not many people go out because they have to rest and work the next day, by midnight streets will be empty and shop are closed at 6.pm only some cafes open until 9.00 only friday night and weekend night people do go to dance at night clubs...but authority do not tolerant with drugs...police raged night clubs if they knew drugs were involved, the youngsters who stayed up all night they must use some kind of drug so they can stand and shake all night...it called Extacy, speed, in Lao we called Jar Bar...some girls over dose and shaked until she was collasped and died they tried to help but is to late...so late at night even in Australia you wondering around shopping area, the police will follow...because they think you are criminals wanted to break in. so what kind of freedom Lao usa complainted about Lao...we have a vietnamese friend who lives near our place, he is a catholic and from south Vietnam he always criticised Vietnam government, they can not do anything,...but since he been living in Australia more than 10 years he never has a job...only his mouth, he always says Usa is number one and said he likes war...because war lead to development...so war is good 'What a Jerk, scumbag, and ass hole' what I see about war is death and destruction' he also told us before during the war his family made a lot of money because american were there..'Blood Money' that's why catholic is not for me, document showned the French used Catholism to take Indochina and this region became slave for 100 years, many Indochina politicians were arreste and their heads were chopped off...long before Ho chi Minh arrived home, Ho chi Minh and Supharnouvong all were arrested lucky Ho chi Minh can use his wisdom to persuade the prison guard that's why he can become leader of Vietnam otherwise they will chopped his head off too...I think Lao government is doing the good job at the moment, and I believe the vietnamese guy who said war is good, he is nothing else but scumbags lived his days by other people tax who have to support him...'Bor mee suck see' in Australia they called these people 'Doll bludgers' lazy ass hole another word.

[Tee]

I totally understand why Lao students going to study overseas and do not want to come back and I have already expressed my opinion about that. Today, I feel very disappointed after reading one of a coment saying that after going to study in Australia, he/she does not want to come back because almost anything in Laos is bad compare to that in Australia. I had studied in Australia for two years and found that convenient too, however, I have never forgot the opportunity I got as a result of being a Lao citizen and how I have grown up with this environment. I respect individual decisions, whether they want to stay overseas for awhile or forever after studying. I understand people have different reasons for their decision.

However, hearing someone who live in the country for a long time and then criticise his/her motherland's after going to overseas for a short period of time is absolutely rediculous. If everyone thinks like that will Laos exist? I think that person would not care at all? I have heard so many people criticize my country, and I don't care if they are not Lao. If you are Lao you should think before critizing why it is the way it is? is there anything you can do to improve the situation? have you done anything in an attempt to make Lao a better place? if you think the situation is bad so you have to go, is ok as long as you don't split on this land before you go. I don't mean to criticize those who are not coming back. I Know that most Lao people wherever they are they are still have Lao heart and even they cannot help a lot they still want to see Lao improving. I hope that that person who wrote is like most of Lao people.

[JD]

Hey Peter. I assume you’re living abroad yourself. You sound very bitter but I commend you on your articulation of the matters. I know there are people out there like you who offer concrete facts ( search engines at your finger tips come in handy ) and express opinions with such convictions. Your viewpoints are well taken.

Let us be clear. We are not criticizing the Lao people here. We are discussing governments’ failed policies as you have pointed out yourself about usa and Australia and even Laos.

Now, that we point out the failed policies in governments from various systems, what suggestions would you offer to the Lao students abroad, Lao people in Laos, and oversea individuals those want to help Laos? What’s preventing the Lao people in Laos doing something themselves? I hope you Peter continue to write. I actually enjoy reading your thoughts and comments.

On an individual level, How come you, me and everyone else here are not in Laos and doing something about it? Are we afraid of the current Lao government’s policies? But if you are living in Laos, what advice can you offer the rest of us who wants to help if you want outsiders’ help? Basically, you, me and the rest of us here are just blaah, blaah our mouths away just like you said it yourself.